Act, 23 January 1705, Edinburgh

Act, 12 March 1705, Edinburgh

Att Edinburgh the Twentie third day of January Jaj vijc and fyve yeirs

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Act In favours of the Commissioners of the Presbetrie of Hadingtoun

Anent the petition given in and presented to the Lords of her Majesties privie Counsell By the Commissioners of the presbetrie of Hadingtoun, Shewing that wher the petitioners did in Apryll Jaj vijc and three, apply to the saids Lords upon the accompt of ane unhappie division in the parish of Hadingtoun, Considering that ther Lordships would be pleased to discharge any to Interloquitor with or disturb the kirk Session ther lawfull elected and confirmed by the acts of parliament In the exercise of discipline and government compleat to them, Wherupon the saids Lords wer pleased to pronounce ane act for the interim to prevent confusion, And for preserving the peace of the place, Appoynting the elders of the said Legall Session to Collect the offerings at the Church door of the burgh and parish at and for such dyets when any Minister appoynted by the presbetrie Should preach, And appoynting the Eldershipe which served with Mr Dumbar (to which our petition related) to collect for Such dyets wheron the said Mr Dumbar Should preach; Sinse that tyme Mr John Currie hath been called by consent of the heretors, Magistrats and Elders, and hes been transported and Setled by authority of the Generall Assembli Minister of that parish In place of the deceast Mr Feirman But in the mean tyme ther being two Elderships in that parish, It occasions very great confusions and disorders, And is utterly inconsistant with discipline and presbiterian Government, And the Setleing therof in this Church particularly Act 5th parliament i690. And Act 22d parliament 1695. Wherby it is evident that the only lawfull eldershipe in the Church Is that which is Subject to and authorized by the presbetrie of the bounds, Which disorders and confusions Still continue Notwithstanding of Severall overtures made for the removeall therof and now in the Clerks hands And Seeing her Majestie hes been graciously pleased to take this nationall Church into her Royall Speciall protection, And that the execution of the publict Laws concerning the Church doth in a particular maner belong to the most honourable the privie Counsell, And therfor craving it might please ther lordships to discharge the former kirk session to interfeir or medle in the discipline and Government of that parish, And to ordaine the books and outensills belonging to the Church and the Session of the said parish, to be delyvered up to the Legall Session (as hes been done in the lyke cases) and to give such further directions in this matter, As yor lordships in your great wisdeom and prudence Shall sett meet for advanceing of truth, pietie, peace and good order in the said parish, as the said petition bears, The Lords of her Majesties privie Counsell having upon the eighteint day of January instant Considered the within Petition given in to them by the Commissioners of the presbetrie of Hadingtoun and the Samen being read in ther presence The Saids Lords doe heirby Appoynt and Ordaine Intimation to be made to Mr George Dumbar Minister at Hadingtoun, And the elders serveing with him that the Samen may be seen and and2 answered Tuesday nixt peremptorie, And the said petition being Intimat accordingly, the said Mr George Dumbar gave in the following answers therto Viz It was humbly represented to the saids Lords that the said Mr Dumbar is continued in the exercise of his Ministrie by vertue of ane Act of parliament affoording protection to Episcopall Ministers upon termes therin contained, To which the said Mr Dumbar hath given obedience, And it is conceaved that this protection will extend to all the pairts of his Ministrie, without exclusion of one pairt and reservation of another, And therfor that discipline will be reserved to him als weell as the preaching of the Gospell, And the said Mr Dumbar is so great a lover of peace that he hes been willing to goe into all measurs for preserving and promotting the Same, So as to be willing to be the hearer of Mr Currie upon condition Mr Currie would be his hearer, which was refused, And cannot but appear to yor lordships to be a sure mean of obstructing that peace and harmonie in the parish that they pretend to persue for, Wheras wer that charitable yeilding on his pairt by which the Sense of differance might be taken away, It would prove a mein for a more happie Union, which otherwayes cannot reasonably be expected And Seeing Mr Dumbar hes expressed So much forwardness in establishing peace in the parish of Hadingtoun, It was humbly expected that the saids Lords authoritie would be Interposed for him that he may enjoy the Royall protection In the exercise of his Ministrie, According to the Act of parliament provyded on that pairt, The Lords of her Majesties privie Counsell haveing this day considered the petition given in to them by the Commissioners of the presbetrie of Hadingtoun, Together with answers therto by Mr George Dumbar one of the Ministers of Hadingtoun, And the Samen being read in ther presence, The Saids Lords have prohibite and discharged, and heirby prohibites and discharges the former kirk session, which serves with the said Mr Dumbar to Interfeir or medle in the discipline and government of the said parish of Hadingtoun, And have appoynted and ordained, and heirby Appoynts and Ordains the books and outensills belonging to the Church and the Session of the said parish, to be delyvered up to the said Mr John Currie, and the kirk Session legally Setled and Serving with him.

At Edinburgh 23 January 1705

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Act in favour of the commissioners of the presbytery of Haddington

Concerning the petition given in and presented to the lords of her majesty’s privy council by the commissioners of the presbytery of Haddington, showing that where the petitioners did in April 1703 apply to the said lords upon the account of an unhappy division in the parish of Haddington, considering that their lordships would be pleased to discharge any to interfere with or disturb the kirk session there, lawfully elected and confirmed by the acts of parliament, in the exercise of discipline and government competent to them, whereupon the said lords were pleased to pronounce an act for the interim to prevent confusion, and for preserving the peace of the place, appointing the elders of the said legal session to collect the offerings at the church door of the burgh and parish at and for such diets when any minister appointed by the presbytery should preach, and appointing the eldership which served with Mr Dunbar (to which our petition related) to collect for such diets whereon the said Mr Dunbar should preach. Since that time Mr John Currie has been called by consent of the heritors, magistrates, and elders, and has been transported and settled by authority of the general assembly minister of that parish in place of the deceased Mr Feirman. But in the meantime, there being two elderships in that parish, it occasions very great confusions and disorders, and is utterly inconsistent with discipline and presbyterian government, and the settling thereof in this Church, particularly Act 5th parliament 1690 and Act 22nd parliament 1695, whereby it is evident that the only lawful eldership in the church is that which is subject to and authorised by the presbytery of the bounds. Which disorders and confusions still continue, notwithstanding of several overtures made for the removal thereof and now in the clerk’s hands. And seeing her majesty has been graciously pleased to take this national Church into her royal special protection, and that the execution of the public laws concerning the Church doth in a particular manner belong to the most honourable the privy council. And therefor craving it might please their lordships to discharge the former kirk session to interfere or meddle in the discipline and government of that parish, and to ordain the books and utensils belonging to the church and the session of the said parish, to be delivered up to the legal session (as has been done in the like cases) and to give such further directions in this matter, as your lordships in your great wisdom and prudence shall sett meet for advancing of truth, piety, peace, and good order in the said parish, as the said petition bears. The lords of her majesty’s privy council having upon 18 January instant considered the within petition given in to them by the commissioners of the presbytery of Haddington, and the same being read in their presence, the said lords do hereby appoint and ordain intimation to be made to Mr George Dunbar, minister at Haddington, and the elders serving with him, that the same may be seen and answered Tuesday next peremptorily. And the said petition being intimated accordingly, the said Mr George Dunbar gave in the following answers thereto viz it was humbly represented to the said lords that the said Mr Dunbar is continued in the exercise of his ministry by virtue of an act of parliament affording protection to episcopal ministers upon terms therein contained, to which the said Mr Dunbar has given obedience. And it is conceived that this protection will extend to all the parts of his ministry, without exclusion of one part and reservation of another, and therefore that discipline will be reserved to him as well as the preaching of the gospel. And the said Mr Dunbar is so great a lover of peace that he has been willing to go into all measures for preserving and promoting the same, so as to be willing to be the hearer of Mr Currie upon condition Mr Currie would be his hearer, which was refused, and cannot but appear to your lordships to be a sure means of obstructing that peace and harmony in the parish that they pretend to pursue for. Whereas were that charitable yielding on his part by which the sense of difference might be taken away, it would prove a means for a more happy union, which otherwise cannot reasonably be expected. And seeing Mr Dunbar has expressed so much forwardness in establishing peace in the parish of Haddington, it was humbly expected that the said lords’ authority would be interposed for him that he may enjoy the royal protection in the exercise of his ministry, according to the act of parliament provided on that part. The lords of her majesty’s privy council having this day considered the petition given in to them by the commissioners of the presbytery of Haddington, together with answers thereto by Mr George Dunbar, one of the ministers of Haddington, and the same being read in their presence, the said lords have prohibited and discharged, and hereby prohibit and discharge the former kirk session, which serves with the said Mr Dunbar, to interfere or meddle in the discipline and government of the said parish of Haddington, and have appointed and ordained, and hereby appoint and ordain the books and utensils belonging to the church and the session of the said parish to be delivered up to the said Mr John Currie, and the kirk session legally settled and serving with him.

1. NRS, PC1/53, 345-6.

2. Sic.

1. NRS, PC1/53, 345-6.